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[CLoveGlee]

The topic says it all. This is not an appreciation thread. Be respectful of other posters.

[CLoveGlee]

Well, I can see that folks are kind of confused as to what to do with this thread. The funny thing, of course, is that people are continuing to complain about Blaine in the 'm amain Kurt thread, which is what got us in trouble in the first place; that's an appreciation thread, and not to be used to complain about characters.

Here's the kind of thing I intended to discuss in this thread so that the appreciation thread would be gripe-free:

I'm about to convulse in stunned laughter at the spoilers we are getting for "Michael". Actually watching the episode may suddenly put all the pieces into place for me, but right now, I am just saying "What the hell?" a lot. If I understand this correctly, Sebastian is going to attack Blaine, the hero of the Warblers, the founder of the Dalton fight club, with a horribly dangerous and threatening slushie that will somehow render him half blind, hospitalize him, and send him away from school for two weeks.

Blaine will be successfully put completely out of commission by a single slushie. Uh.... right. And then, Kurt comes to visit his lover, his soulmate, and while he's there, he sings him a tender love song. Well, no, he sings him the first third of a tender love song. For whatever reason, he is not sufficient to this task by himself. He needs help from the almighty romantic power of Finchel. Gay people cannot sing each other love songs without being chaperoned by a straight couple? And let me say this again. Kurt visits his injured lover to sing him a love song, and over half the song is sung by somebody else.

And Cory sounds completely out of place on the song, too. Not bad.... just... inappropriate.

Somebody has to retaliate for the injury to Blaine so... Santana goes.

Not Kurt. Santana.

I am not angry. This is just too ludicrous to be angry. These folks have flunked logical plotting 101 at the most basic level.

[kac]

Well, I can see that folks are kind of confused as to what to do with this thread. The funny thing, of course, is that people are continuing to complain about Blaine in the 'm amain Kurt thread, which is what got us in trouble in the first place; that's an appreciation thread, and not to be used to complain about characters.

Here's the kind of thing I intended to discuss in this thread so that the appreciation thread would be gripe-free:

I'm about to convulse in stunned laughter at the spoilers we are getting for "Michael". Actually watching the episode may suddenly put all the pieces into place for me, but right now, I am just saying "What the hell?" a lot. If I understand this correctly, Sebastian is going to attack Blaine, the hero of the Warblers, the founder of the Dalton fight club, with a horribly dangerous and threatening slushie that will somehow render him half blind, hospitalize him, and send him away from school for two weeks.

Blaine will be successfully put completely out of commission by a single slushie. Uh.... right. And then, Kurt comes to visit his lover, his soulmate, and while he's there, he sings him a tender love song. Well, no, he sings him the first third of a tender love song. For whatever reason, he is not sufficient to this task by himself. He needs help from the almighty romantic power of Finchel. Gay people cannot sing each other love songs without being chaperoned by a straight couple? And let me say this again. Kurt visits his injured lover to sing him a love song, and over half the song is sung by somebody else.

And Cory sounds completely out of place on the song, too. Not bad.... just... inappropriate.

Somebody has to retaliate for the injury to Blaine so... Santana goes.

Not Kurt. Santana.

I am not angry. This is just too ludicrous to be angry. These folks have flunked logical plotting 101 at the most basic level.

I do find the bolded strange, I will have to see how the show goes, maybe it might make sense then. I will reserve judgement, then complain.

I must admit I am getting tired of Santana as a character, I hope I can remain objective in this scene...

[Jellyrolls]

Well, I can see that folks are kind of confused as to what to do with this thread. The funny thing, of course, is that people are continuing to complain about Blaine in the 'm amain Kurt thread, which is what got us in trouble in the first place; that's an appreciation thread, and not to be used to complain about characters.

Here's the kind of thing I intended to discuss in this thread so that the appreciation thread would be gripe-free:

I'm about to convulse in stunned laughter at the spoilers we are getting for "Michael". Actually watching the episode may suddenly put all the pieces into place for me, but right now, I am just saying "What the hell?" a lot. If I understand this correctly, Sebastian is going to attack Blaine, the hero of the Warblers, the founder of the Dalton fight club, with a horribly dangerous and threatening slushie that will somehow render him half blind, hospitalize him, and send him away from school for two weeks.

Blaine will be successfully put completely out of commission by a single slushie. Uh.... right. And then, Kurt comes to visit his lover, his soulmate, and while he's there, he sings him a tender love song. Well, no, he sings him the first third of a tender love song. For whatever reason, he is not sufficient to this task by himself. He needs help from the almighty romantic power of Finchel. Gay people cannot sing each other love songs without being chaperoned by a straight couple? And let me say this again. Kurt visits his injured lover to sing him a love song, and over half the song is sung by somebody else.

And Cory sounds completely out of place on the song, too. Not bad.... just... inappropriate.

Somebody has to retaliate for the injury to Blaine so... Santana goes.

Not Kurt. Santana.

I am not angry. This is just too ludicrous to be angry. These folks have flunked logical plotting 101 at the most basic level.

When I really listen to the lyrics of the "love" song, it isn't really a true love song--it's just about how wonderful "Ben/Blaine" is. I wouldn't be surprised if they used the whole 3 minute because it's really a big love and admiration gush fest to Blaine, and Blaine has to be loved and amired by all. <on my hands and knees bowing down to Blaine at this moment. All praise and glory to Blaine>

I agree, Cory sounds out of place on the song. But I'll never complain about a Furt Hummelberry trio since Furt Hummelberry is really the reason I watch the show.

My only thought on Santana going is because she doesn't want someone else messing with someone she likes to mess with. Kind of Kurt's mentality after VA threw eggs at Rachel--she's one of us, and only we can humiliate her. Well, Blaine is one of Santana's group, and only she can snark on him.

Logical plotting 101 has never been RIB's fortay.

[kac]

I am first and foremost a Chris fan, I like seeing him play the character of Kurt. When Blaine was introduced, I liked Darren and the character too, so there is no hatred when I say I hope there is no "big love and admiration gush fest to Blaine". I don't like that sort of thing for any character.

Hopefully tonight will be OK and there will be a good balance, I mean, a person can dream, eh?

Edited...
Well, this has been good, the songs all worked in context. All three singing Ben worked and Santana going to Sebastian also worked.

[Rosencrantz]

Ooh, good idea for a thread. I do hate highlighting through black spoiler bars.

Can we have a non-shipperish talk about the 'secret admirer' thing here?

I'm preparing myself for Blaine being the secret admirer and this plot being a way to tell a cute little Klaine story without having Darren on set for most of the filming. If it is Blaine, I'd want to see that valentine's gesture backfire at little. Kurt hasn't ever been woo'd from afar by a guy and it might be that Kurt is flattered, even though he plans to let this secret guy down gently and stay true to his boyfriend. If Blaine appears in an "It's me!" moment I wouldn't blame Kurt for feeling a bit miffed and mocked. It could cause friction with Blaine then questioning why Kurt wants attention from other guys. But yeah, it's likely too much to hope for any juicy tension between Klaine.

If it's Karofsky (and if Dave is also in ep14) then I hope that Kurt maybe won't learn his admirer's identity in 3x13. I guess Kurt might see someone running around in a gorilla suit from a distance and without getting a proper look for size perspective - he could think it's Blaine. Maybe Kurt could have a moment of seeing Blaine at the end of the episode and tell Blaine he thought the monkey thing was really cute, only for Blaine to say that it wasn't him. If Karofsky is going to express his feelings for Kurt (as Murphy said) it might be better if he did it anonymously. If they are wanting to redeem Dave then it'd be better to have Dave realizing that he blew any chance he might of had with Kurt and knowing that any open declarations of love at this point would be inappropriate, even if Kurt has forgiven him. Well Karofsky secretly stalking Kurt is a little creepy too but Dave being all pining and creepy is better than him being a self-loathing volatile thug. I like his character becoming remorseful and yet still remaining rather sad and lonely.

The only other possibility I can see is Joe (Samuel Larson's character) since he's a new guy of undetermined sexual orientation. In the Glee Project they did seem to like the idea of Samuel as a bisexual character. Even if it's not him, I'd love some scenes with Kurt trying to figure out who his admirer is and maybe going to flirt with the new guy to see if he gets a reaction. In fact it'd be funny to see Kurt visiting Scandals to do a bit of detective work. If Kurt is not being too saintly this episode, I hope he is frantically curious wanting to know who his admirer is.

[tanita_mors]

There is a possibility of it being Sebastian, trying to mock Kurt knowing that Blaine isn't around and humiliate him to get him back for the problem he now certainly has with the Warblers and the fact that his slushy didn't hit the right target. But that storyiline would be too cruel for a Valentines episode I guess. I think it's either Karofsky because I think he does like Kurt that way and it would be fantastic material for both Chris and Max to play with, or it's Blaine but Karofsky is there to misdirect us and bring the controversy.

[mellama]

If I understand the purpose of this thread correctly, we can discuss spoilers without using spoiler bars. And we can discuss our reactions to other characters without being off task. But the thread is still protected against Kurt/Chris haters because it's a sub forum of the Kurt Hummel forum?

I'm also frustrated with Kurt not having a solo lead in Ben. Which should have been sung Blaine.If they had to shoehorn Finchel in, they should have been harmony only. And I see no reason to shoehorn yet more Finchel. They had more than enough of their own singing for this episode, IMO. I do like them shown spending time together, but not cutting into Kurt's singing ~ ever.

As happy as I am that Kurt and Rachel were accepted as finalists for NYADA, I'm less than thrilled with just about everything else. I know "It's Glee," but I cope with the crazy way they create multiple personalities for most of the characters by simply not caring about and basically ignoring them except when they get a really funny line.

The reason I like Kurt so much is because, IMO, he's been developed consistently. I think I'm quoting you, Claire, when I repeat that he's perfectly imperfect. He certainly has his flaws, but they only make me love him more. Not like Artie's obnoxiousness as arrogant director and meddler in others' love lives. Though I blame the adults for that more. Not like Santana's too often over the top viciousness. Not like Quinn's borderline psychotic episodes. I could go on forever. The point is that I just don't like very many of the characters and they'd have to put some serious effort and time into redemption story lines before I'd be changing my mind. The quick throw away line and sudden change in behavior just don't cut it for me.

So I was basically dissatisfied with most of the show.

Quinn looked beautiful. DA is gorgeous! Her song was fairly well done. But I just don't care about the Quinn character. I also think it's ridiculous that she got into Yale. First because there's nothing about a single line she's ever uttered that makes me think she'd score anything near a 1400+ in Math/Verbal I'm guessing she'd need as a bare minimum to qualify fo Ivy League. I get that she had a touching back story and they don't know that she's bi polar or multiple personality or sociopathic or whatever her crazy is. But she's a white girl from a middle or better socio economic background. She also applied way too late for early admission. But "It's Glee.". So back to I just don't care about the character and didn't need time spent on her.

Artie's speech was great. That should have been Kurt. It wasn't really OOC for Artie, but he's been all over the map, and fairly obnoxious in Season Three episodes, so I really don't like him that much. And that speech expressed all the frustrations we've been talking about here in the Kurt thread. I would have loved for Kurt to make it and then have Artie and some of the others join in at the end to lead in to the musical number. Kurt should have been singing in it, too.

I did enjoy Smooth Criminal. The cellists were superb. But that should have been Kurt and Sebastian facing off. It fits Kurt's nature to figure out a non violent way to deal with Mr. Craig's List. But deal with him, he would. And Kurt would have been AWESOME singing that song!

I do think Santana had the best line of the night when she made the comment about how things would have been handled if the recorder had been hidden in Kurt's "junk" rather than her underboob. Line was so great I'm almost willing to be satisfied that she took the face off rather than Kurt. Almost. If Kurt had the great protest speech and/or had a decent solo of his own rather than a Hudmelberry trio, I could happily let this one go.

I also am not thrilled with how they're dealing with Sebastian's slushie assault. And it is assault and battery. I really would have loved a fantasy number where Kurt gets to physically kick Sebastian's ass. It would just be so satisfying emotionally. But I am an adult and rational enough to know that recourse to violence is not a good solution. So keep it fantasy like Artie's Scream number. And then get crafty, get the confession and make sure there are consequences.

There's been a really good discussion of this over at TWoP, and one of the posters has pointed out how Burt could bring political pressure to bear and how they could use media to keep Seb's dad from sweeping it all under the rug.

Ranwing has also made excellent points there, defending why the actual ending was a good choice. I get that chances are good that Seb's father would, indeed, very likely get him off without consequence, which would then feel like another frustration and defeat to the underdogs. I get that their choice was smart because it took away Seb's power, exposed Seb as the slime he is and left him isolated as the other Warblers joined the ND in a song about equality on stage.

But it still felt flat and not good enough.

First of all, it was Blaine and his parents' call to make whether charges should be filed. In my perfect Glee, we'd erase the Ben scene and have Kurt and Blaine process some of this during the bedroom visit, including why Blaine was even talking to Sebastian on the phone to let the set list slip in the first place. They'd work that out, then work out the plot to get Seb's confession. Maybe they'd go ahead and draw Santana in anyway, thinking Seb would be less suspicious and guarded in what he'd say to her. By the time they get on stage to do BoW, we understand why it's a better choice. And, oh yeah, as Kurt tosses the (copy of the) tape to Seb, he advises him that Blaine's parents are contacting his father as they speak. They will be seeking payment for medical expenses and will use the original tape as needed. Fade to black on Seb's expression of dismay.

See, it could have been Yoplait Good! Sigh.

I realize the whole show can't be about Kurt. What I object to is the combination of all the crappy things they did. It's too much Blaine singing plus too much Finchel plus time wasted on Quinn plus Artie getting Kurt's protest speech plus Santana getting Kurt's face off with Sebastian plus Kurt not getting heavily featured on vocals that are perfect for his voice. Change just one or two of those and I can happily accept the rest.

Also, did it worry anybody else that Burt gave the wonderful "You've won and nobody can defeat you now," speech with the finalist letter? Kurt has not been accepted into NYADA. He's been accepted as a finalist. But not all finalists get accepted into the school. I'm thrilled because this just about guarantees us a Kurt solo. Which I expect to be beyond awesome. I truly can't wait. (And I'm beside myself to learn that we have yet another hiatus to wait through. I'm so sick of these I can't begin to express my frustration! It is Kurt and only Kurt that keeps me interested, and even so, I'm this close to chucking it.) But I hope this is not the best or only win Kurt's gonna get this year.

Finally, I really hope that Karofsky is not the secret admirer. Given his previous history with Kurt, that comes too close to stalking IMO. I could see them being not so close friends. I could even see Karofsky turning to Kurt and Blaine for help in dealing with being gay, coming out. But he needs to keep it totally non threatening. And that means no romantic advances at all. And he needs to be entirely respectful of Blaine and his relationship with Kurt. I'm not even saying that as a Klainer. I'm not. I'm a Kurtsie. But if they want to redeem Karofsky's character, he needs to show that he's essentially a good person. I just realized the name Karofsky reminds me of HP Karkaroff. I wonder if they did that on purpose. Hmmm. Well, if that's the case, no redemption possible. LOL.

I like your ideas, Rosencrantz and tanita_mors! There are so many fun possibilities. I could even see Rachel deciding to do something for Kurt, because she feels sorry for him that Blaine is laid up with surgery and they can't have a romantic celebration. I would love for Kurt to have some funny misadventures as he tries to determine who his SA is.

[CLoveGlee]

If I understand the purpose of this thread correctly, we can discuss spoilers without using spoiler bars. And we can discuss our reactions to other characters without being off task. But the thread is still protected against Kurt/Chris haters because it's a sub forum of the Kurt Hummel forum?

I've noticed that we get into a LOT of trouble on the Kurt Appreciation Thread for saying negative things about Blaine. Well, here, I figure we can all speak freely within the boundaries of courtesy. That means, if somebody says "Oh, I don't like the idea that KURT has a crush on Ricky Martin because that's cheating" it's admissable, as is "Boy, ANOTHER Blaine solo! Enough!" It would differ from the regular spoiler threads because it is all about Kurt, but ordinary debate is welcome.

Frankly, I don't understand the concept that folks can't bear the idea of another person loving your favorite less than you do. You don't love Kurt? You aren't insulting ME unless you... insult ME. Now, be prepared to argue with me! But realy, why do folks feel they must fight to ensure themselves that they never ever hear a single negative word?

As for the admirer:

I think Karofsky could be interesting and touching, if it ended with the realization that Kurt's never going to be able to forget what he did.

I think Blaine being the admirer would be anticlimactic and cliche. And frankly, I think we need to see evidence that somebody besides Blaine finds Kurt desirable. I think Kurt should go back to Blaine, yes... but because he WANTS to go, not because Blaine is the only one who sees him like that.

[mellama]

I just read your recap in the episode thread, ( so fantastic!) and I came back here to edit my complaints about Artie getting Kurt's protest speech. If Kevin and Mike had some of the ideas for the song and dance, it's totally fair that Artie got the lead in speech.

I would have loved it for Kurt, but I'm now content that Artie delivered it. I do miss our spirited, feisty Kurt, though.

Sadly, if this were the first episode of Glee I'd ever seen, I think I would have liked Artie and Santana better than Kurt. maybe even Quinn, too.

I would love for Kurt to have a real secret admirer. It could be the new GP kid, or maybe even someone never revealed. I agree that he should be with Blaine because he genuinely loves him, not because Blaine's the only choice. I also wouldn't mind if he and Blaine experience a little tension in their relationship, which requires communication, exploration of attitudes and values and even problem solving to resolution. Most people realize it's possible to have a healthy, happy romance that's not all flowers and heart eyes. I think it's just that most don't trust the writers to do anything but cheating and break ups if the couples aren't mooning over each other and macking. Which, of course, Kurt and Blaine aren't allowed to do, either.

[CLoveGlee]

"Chris Colfer (Kurt) confirms that while Darren Criss (Blaine), who was in New York City performing on stage during the shoot, “is in the episode, it’s not in the way you might think. But there’s definitely a huge development for Kurt in that episode that involves someone in a gorilla costume.” Hmmm…"

Something just occurred to me. How can this be a huge development if it's Blaine? Wouldn't that just confirm the status quo, that Blaine hearts Kurt with little valentines drifting above his head? Or is HE going to propose now? In a gorilla suit?

[brisallie]

Something just occurred to me. How can this be a huge development if it's Blaine? Wouldn't that just confirm the status quo, that Blaine hearts Kurt with little valentines drifting above his head? Or is HE going to propose now? In a gorilla suit?

Well, I read that Darren got on time to the set to shoot some scenes from 3x13 so it could be him. So if is him the person wearing the gorilla suit, I'm still deciding if this gonna be a romantic or wtf scene About the proposal theory, honestly I'm not sure if I'm ready to deal with that again :finchel:

Besides Why RIB is trying to marry off everyone?? hahaha

[fantastica]

the man in gorilla suit is either blaine or dave. i hope it's dave. that will lead to his appearance in the next episode.

[Oldiesfan1]

I hope it is Dave.The main reason I hope it is Dave is I miss seeing Max on the small screen.

[mellama]

Something just occurred to me. How can this be a huge development if it's Blaine? Wouldn't that just confirm the status quo, that Blaine hearts Kurt with little valentines drifting above his head? Or is HE going to propose now? In a gorilla suit?

Well, at least if Blaine's in a gorilla suit, it would be funny, right?

I hope to Grilled Cheesus that somebody besides this epi's Quinn has a lick of sense and there's not another proposal! I want silly or spicy or feisty. I'll even take Figgins. ROFL! No, I take that back. No more inappropriate adults! But no HS engagements either!

I'm especially sad that the Finchel story is about holding on to each other in desperation. If Kurt and Blaine do eventually end up together ( LOL, just got an image if Kurt in the chair. Gonna have to find other ways of phrasing that!) if they do finally become engaged I hope it will be a culminating "and" not an "instead of." And I'd hope they'd be closer to thirty. With careful, safe experience with a couple of other people first.

I love Kurt's reaction here.


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OK, I'm just ignoring that it's an inappropriate song and dance for a teacher in a school setting. Hey, it's Glee. And the song looks like fun. The kids are allowed to crush on hot teachers. So long as the teachers don't respond in kind. I loved Finn's response to Rachel. Wouldn't mind seeing a little of that from Blaine. Just so long as it's only a passing feeling and not some kind of control issue.

I hope it is Dave.The main reason I hope it is Dave is I miss seeing Max on the small screen.

I like Max, too. I think he's a good actor and don't mind at all having him back. I actually hope his story line would involve Kurt, because I want as much Kurt airtime as possible. However, I never want to see him approach Kurt in a romantic way, ever. Ever. It's just too squicky for me after the assault kiss. But I understand, MMV.

[fantastica]

this is my theory: a gorilla sent Kurt a msg of secret love, but won't reveal his identify. Kurt secretly followed him all the way to his house - and discovered his true identify! that's how Kurt ends up in Dave's bedroom! and the two have hot sex on that Ikea chair.

Repost this spoiler here:

People to expect in 3x14

Hiram Berry
LeRoy Berry
Principal Figgins
Burt Hummel
Coach Shannon Beiste
Coach Roz Washington
Carole Hudson-Hummel
Sam Evans
Rory Flanagan
Dave Karofsky
Sugar Motta
Sebastian Smythe
Joe Hart
Paul Karofsky


So Dave's father is also in, sounds like a big Dave coming out story. so maybe the bedroom scene does have nothing to do w/ Kurt, just Dave and his dad.

[Oldiesfan1]

Repost this spoiler here:

People to expect in 3x14

Hiram Berry
LeRoy Berry
Principal Figgins
Burt Hummel
Coach Shannon Beiste
Coach Roz Washington
Carole Hudson-Hummel
Sam Evans
Rory Flanagan
Dave Karofsky
Sugar Motta
Sebastian Smythe
Joe Hart
Paul Karofsky


So Dave's father is also in, sounds like a big Dave coming out story. so maybe the bedroom scene does have nothing to do w/ Kurt, just Dave and his dad.

I would be happy if your guess about Dave coming out to his dad is correct.

I like Max, too. I think he's a good actor and don't mind at all having him back. I actually hope his story line would involve Kurt, because I want as much Kurt airtime as possible. However, I never want to see him approach Kurt in a romantic way, ever. Ever. It's just too squicky for me after the assault kiss. But I understand, MMV.

I do ship Kurtofsky but mainly in fan fiction. I even a bigger fan of Max,so even if I hated Dave I still would want Max to be back on the small screen.

[Carousel]

Are we sure the man in the gorilla suit is actually the guy "admiring" Kurt? Where I come from, the Gorilla Man is hired (like a singing telegram person) to deliver gifts, balloons, sing song, etc. We had one come to my place of work to serenade a guy's wife on their anniversary. Big black gorilla!! It was so cute.

[tanita_mors]

I think the admirer is in the gorilla suit because the spoiler says "huge development for Kurt in that episode that involves someone in a gorilla costume". I have another scenario. What if the sender of the gorilla is Blaine, but as a strange coincidence(like such a thing exists on this show), Dave earns money during Valentines day as a singing gorilla telegram. So, at first Kurt will think it's from Blaine, then he will discover that the singer is Dave and Dave ill reveal his feelings for him, only for Blaine to say at the end of the episode "Did you like my singing gorilla" without knowing that Dave was in the costume.

[Carousel]

Ep 3X14 GleeZone

In a deceitful bid to secure a Regionals’ victory for his Dalton Academy Warblers, New Directions’ arch rival Sebastian tries to blackmail Rachel to pull out of the singing competition. When a devastating event shocks the McKinley community, it causes the students to reevaluate their priorities, and inspires Mr. Schuester to reveal an uncharacteristic moment from his past.


OK - so we have the bit about Dave's hospital bed (if it is true) so either a botched suicide attempt or a beating. (Maybe Blaine beat him up for macking on Kurt ) They have touched on a beating before (Blaine) but never a suicide and maybe it is time to address it because it is a problem in the community.

MORE spoiler:
Meanwhile, a reinvigorated Quinn tries to regain her position on the Cheerios, Finn and Rachel make a sudden decision about their future together, Kurt helps a troubled friend through a difficult situation, and Will gets a surprising new ally.