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[bobbitsholiday]

I don't know about all of you, but if Santana said all of those mean snipes to me I'd probably be super depressed and really hate being at that school. Santana is a bully and I don't know why the writers glorify her unkind attitude.
Last season they made a big deal against physical bullying but they don't seem to care a lot about verbal bullying which is often the most common.

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[cinco]

Well... she explained it to Brittany.

"What I realized is why I'm such a bitch all the time. I'm a bitch because I'm angry. Angry because I have all these feelings. Feelings for you. And I walk around so mad at the world but I’m really just fighting with myself."

That doesn't justify what she does, but it makes it understandable.
And it turns her into one of the most complex characters of the series.

[olla]

This should be a yes or no poll, and I'd say yes. She's always been big on intimidating and lashing out at other characters. They've managed to make her lovable despite being so hurtful.

[liljess]

Karofsky had an understandable reason too, and he didn't get off nearly as lightly as Santana.

Exactly.
And hell yes she is.

[Muskrat]

Karofsky physically and sexually assualted Kurt, which makes what he did worse on a different level. Even so, Santana is rude a lot and consantly bringing people down.
Her verbal abuse (towards Finn in Mash-Off for example) can get very bad at times, and her remarks are sometimes rather random and unnecessary. She gets used for the comedy aspect because she can, and has that repuation.

So yes, she is a bully. But is she a bad person? From what we've seen, I'd say she can be nice, supportive (urging Britt to run for president), and has good other traits. She hides them though, but we've known from early on that she likes being in Glee club (Sectionals). It doesn't justify her bullying, but it doesn't let the bullying condemn her

[Tina Cohen-Chang]

Santana did not grab anyone and kiss them against their will, no, but but she's gotten into more than one physical fights, and she says some down right offensive things to people that could be just as damaging. Her comments to finn about his body, her comment to tina about eye deslanting, saying artie should just saw his legs off, for a while her comments about sam's lips were getting pretty bad, and she all but implied that rory should kill himself, but when you tell a kid who's new to a school, and who's getting bullied that he should do everyone a favor and just disappear, that is certainly the way it could be taken. So no she didn't sexually assault someone, but i'm sick of people making it out to be like he's worse than her just becuase of that. they're equal.

you know the real difference between them? when someone reached out and helped karofsky, he stopped being a bully, he stopped picking on kurt, he stopped picking on everyone else. Santana doesn't stop.

[Luis]

Hmmmm of course she is.

And the physical bullying argument went out the window after she led the assault against Rory.

[Rosencrantz]

Santana did not grab anyone and kiss them against their will, no,

Except for that kid with mono. He didn't seem to mind though.

[Panda Express]

She is, but she's an anti-hero of sorts. She does bad things but we're still supposed to like her because she often does bad things for a good reason (I count the mono as a good deed tbh, Quinn and Finn were terrible people for doing that to poor Sam) and she isn't a legitimate threat to anybody. Also she's funny and Naya is a wonderful actress/singer so expect a lot more of it, she's RIB+'s new pet project.

She seems to have stopped any really bad bullying since that horrible episode where they forced her to sit down and sang songs at her that made us all a little bit uncomfortable. She has done some small things like going off at Rachel being a glory hog but at sectionals her convincing Shelby to let ND join the TT if they lost was her trying to be nice even though that was portrayed as her being mean. On the whole she hasn't actually done anything that bad in a while, she still has her edge and we saw the glorious revival of Snicks in Michael but this time against the only legitimate threat ND has had since Sue Sylvester in season one so it was okay.

[cinco]

Except for that kid with mono. He didn't seem to mind though.

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[bobbitsholiday]

Santana did not grab anyone and kiss them against their will, no, but but she's gotten into more than one physical fights, and she says some down right offensive things to people that could be just as damaging. Her comments to finn about his body, her comment to tina about eye deslanting, saying artie should just saw his legs off, for a while her comments about sam's lips were getting pretty bad, and she all but implied that rory should kill himself, but when you tell a kid who's new to a school, and who's getting bullied that he should do everyone a favor and just disappear, that is certainly the way it could be taken. So no she didn't sexually assault someone, but i'm sick of people making it out to be like he's worse than her just becuase of that. they're equal.

you know the real difference between them? when someone reached out and helped karofsky, he stopped being a bully, he stopped picking on kurt, he stopped picking on everyone else. Santana doesn't stop.

My thoughts exactly. If someone in high school had told me to do that I might have just gone and disappeared.

I keep thinking that they will redeem (so many chances) her but she cannot stop stabbing at peoples self esteem.

[Auntie Snixx]

Except for that kid with mono. He didn't seem to mind though.

She did give him fair warning though.

Personally I hate using the noun "bully". Other than the dodgeball incident with Rory, I don't consider her that bad, but then again I went to the bitchiest school in the Southern Hemisphere. I think she has anger issues, but I wouldn't necessarily say she's a horrible person who deserves to be held by her hair over a flaming cauldron.

[Mnc84]

Well, yeah, but she's definitely not as bad as Karofsky was, he made Kurt fear for his life, but when Santana throws an insult it usually reminds me of a chihauhau who thinks it's a dobermann, rarely people seems to be genuinely hurt by her comments, and when they are then it's not funny, best examples will have to be when she told Rory to disappear and Finn that he has no future. IMO, even Quinn in the beginning was worse than Santana ever was. And ever since Santana's been out the closet her insults hasn't been mean spirited anymore, but more playfully affectionate, her poem to Sam when he returned was hilarious.

[PuckzillaWins]

Yes she's a bully. Whatever her reasons it doesn't change what she's done to people.

[Auntie Snixx]

Well, yeah, but she's definitely not as bad as Karofsky was, he made Kurt fear for his life, but when Santana throws an insult it usually reminds me of a chihauhau who thinks it's a dobermann, rarely people seems to be genuinely hurt by her comments, and when they are then it's not funny, best examples will have to be when she told Rory to disappear and Finn that he has no future. IMO, even Quinn in the beginning was worse than Santana ever was. And ever since Santana's been out the closet her insults hasn't been mean spirited anymore, but more playfully affectionate, her poem to Sam when he returned was hilarious.

This.

It's called taking the piss.

[Quinn Berry]

Hmmmm of course she is.

And the physical bullying argument went out the window after she led the assault against Rory.

Or Sebastian throwing a tampered slushie at Blaine meant for Kurt that actually led to him needing surgery, but whatever.

Of course she's a bully but she is also quite a complex character and has been developed, fuck Karfosky was a bully worse than Santana and yet he gets sympathy for his outing but with Santana is because she was a bitch and deserved it or some shit like that and well obvs a WOC being outed is no big deal because she is not a white dude.

[Luis]

Or Sebastian throwing a tampered slushie at Blaine meant for Kurt that actually led to him needing surgery, but whatever.

Of course she's a bully but she is also quite a complex character and has been developed, fuck Karfosky was a bully worse than Santana and yet he gets sympathy for his outing but with Santana is because she was a bitch and deserved it or some shit like that and well obvs a WOC being outed is no big deal because she is not a white dude.

Don't know why you quoted my post to say this...

...and what does Sebastian have to do with this thread?

[jaymcb]

She is a bully.

Yes this was for comedic effect ( as was all the bulling against Rachel) but Santana at least threaten to attack Rachel at least twice.

[jujubee]

Yes. No question about it in my mind.

Frankly, her glorification has made it impossible for me to like anything she says or does anymore. When she was just background and wasn't the focus so much it didn't bother me, but there's just too much of her diatribes for my taste. Her insults aren't funny anymore to me either. Hell, my sister, who is only a casual fan, commented that her rant in the last episode to Brad wasn't even funny; just obnoxious and disrespectful. No remorse or repercussions for her bullying (beginning in the pilot when she, Quinn, and the other cheerios cyber-bullied Rachel) makes her irredeemable in my eyes. I may be in the minority about that, but that's how I feel. And while Naya is a capable actor, she doesn't have the ability like Jane does to make her insults not seem like personal attacks.

Disclaimer: No, I don't think her "outing" nor having been in the closet makes it alright for her to be a bitch. Hell, she got a whole, albeit crappy, episode dedicated to how freaking wonderful she is and how they all love her and want her to be happy. Please.