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I think some people who don't understand why a lot of people are so harsh on Mark, should read this:  http://www.dailymail...ed-Tuesday.html
 
     It has a lot of horrifying details of what Mark had in his possession, including some sort of "guide" on how to have sex with 3-6 year old girls as an adult man. Some people don't like to see this dismissed as "a mistake he made" or "his demons".  This is very serious and horrifying stuff.


He also took a bunch of trips to SE Asia, where child sex abuse is a huge issue there. I'm going to guess he didn't go for the food and beaches.

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Heather posted this on Instagram

https://instagram.com/p/Beueywgn_h6/

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I remember when I read the news about Cory after I woke up and i was bawling like a baby. With Mark there was nothing. If i watch Glee i will feel nothing while looking at him except me thinking how could he be like this. Thats all my thoughts



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I literally didn't feel anything when I heard about this. My condolences to his family and friends. 



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He had demons, but he was still a human being who needed help. It sucks that this is how it ends.

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Can't be a pedophile six feet under :shrug:



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So they had to drop his case, I wonder what that means for the victims? 



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"The US Attorney's Office told Sun Online that the victims would now not be entitled to the compensation - as the case would likely be dismissed." 

 

https://www.thesun.c...icials-confirm/



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I just wanted to chime in and say -- can we not [so] subtlety applaud the fact the someone committed suicide? Of course he's done unforgivable and downright disgusting crimes against the most vulnerable in society. But this has always been a proxy safe space for people with issues including suicidal thoughts.

 

As far as the reporting states he was looking at approximately 4-7 years in prison (plus a lifetime of shame and the legal system observing him). Which, if you ask me, if quite a gentle punishment for what he was convicted of. That said, he would have had the ability to still have a long life of hopefully moving beyond the grotesque nature of his lifestyle.

 

It's fine to not feel bad about what happened, but passive aggressive comments such as "he can't do it if he isn't breathing" is in essence taking the stance that suicide was an acceptable end to this story. Sorry, but no. I'm not defending someone convicted of possessing child pornography, but I think we can all agree to have the basic human decency that suicide is not something to (again) passively aggressively condone.

 

Suicide in any capacity is not a fucking justifiable resolution to anything, no matter what and how serious the trouble you may find yourself in. Mark committed an abysmal act of humanity over who knows how long an amount of time -- his punishment should be sitting behind bars for years reflecting on that followed by a lifetime of observation; not ending his life.

 

It really is sickening to me that anyone here may feel pleasure or a sense of relief that someone ended their life.

 

This has nothing to do with the show, his character on the show, nor the crime(s). But, the issue of suicide entirely. Decide your morals and values. Originally this thread was very well restrained. However, now it is seemingly becoming really unlike the atmosphere we tried to cultivate for so many years.

 

Again let me be very clear. I am not defending a person convicted of being in possession of child pornography and contributing to the ongoing exploitation of children that he ultimately supported. My point is simply suicide is not the correct way to deal with your own personal issues for any reason. Unrelated to Mark, pain and suffering is relative (one person's goldfish dying is just as traumatic as another person's mother/father dying) and this is such a sensitive issue that someone reading a post here (AGAIN) being passively aggressive saying "good," whom happens to have any bad habit or an unfortunately life event/situation themselves could tangentially connect something in their minds and have suicidal thoughts or be dragged down emotionally. Beyond this post I'm not going to allow anyone here to even suggest suicide is acceptable in any circumstance. And, if you think I'm wrong feel free to leave this forum.

 

Val started this thread and absolutely, correctly, instructed people on how to respond, reflect, and have a discussion. It hasn't gone off the deep-end yet, but it's slipping. That stops now. Additionally, to add to Val's original post, if you don't feel comfortable talking to anyone here the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline phone number is 1-800-273-8255. Furthermore, if you aren't suicidal or having thoughts of it there are 24/7 crisis/mental health hotlines (even if you're just... sad or upset) that I can say I have personally used myself for various reasons and are easily found via a quick Google search.



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I do definitely want to say the way people talked about it online made me VERY uncomfortable. Like the outright celebrating of the death and the fact he chose to end it.

Not because I care about Mark and in any way think he deserves respect in spite of his despiscable crimes, but because I don't think people realise how talk like that can trigger people.

When you're in the depths of depression, it is absolutely possible to think you're the most reprehensible person on earth. And with that warped frame of mind, framing suicide in the way that some people online are makes me seriously concerned that some very unwell people may use that to justify their own attempts.

"I'm a horrible person too, I deserve it, the world will celebrate it"



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I'd like to point out that part of his punishment was that he would pay the victims for what he did to them. Here's the thing now that he committed suicide, the victims won't get money, money that could get them the appropriate treatment they need to deal with what they went through. (Unless they were some how already really wealthy). Which sadly means that this vicious cycle will probably continue. 



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Wouldnt the victims now be able to sue the estate for compensation
He was convicted, though not sentenced.

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Wouldnt the victims now be able to sue the estate for compensation
He was convicted, though not sentenced.

No because the case was dismissed, rather then him being found guilty. 

 

http://www.nydailyne...ticle-1.3790288



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Stupid
He plead guilty and was moving on to sentencing.
I know the burden of proof for a civil case is less then a criminal one, but with the case dismissed it may be an issue successfully suing even though Im essence he was convicted.
If his family has any dignity about what happened theyd donate anything left from his estate to the victims or a general charity for sex abuse.

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So got some good news looked a little further into they can in fact sue his estate, it's just not going to be an easy slam dunk case like it should be 



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Had a discussion about this with some of my friends, one of them, being the biggest Glee fan i know. He loves Glee and pretty much everything in it including Noah Puckerman. So he found this really hard to talk about. He loved his character, but didn't know what to think considering why he died. It's hard to talk about, but it's never a good thing when someone dies.






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